I appreciate the response as well. I don't mean to start some kind of war or anything so I won't argue. I'm obviously from Avov so I have a bias towards their product, however that doesn't mean I don't respect the views of others such as yourself (hence why I made this thread). I was simply responding to you initial comment regarding this thread being pointless. I see what you are saying about having freedom and it is similar to what floder2 was saying so I have noted it down. I have browsed for a bit and there have been many comparison between the products with the TVOnline and the Mag254 having the biggest amount of discussion. I was just interested in placing those thoughts and opinions in one thread.