i tried PP and was able to populate the categories. I think you are correct that I am not getting the playlist displayed in IPTV extreme. In PP I do not see anything to the right of the channel list. PP is much slower and picture is worse than IPTV extreme. in IPTV I can see what is on for the channel, so EPG works, but I do not have the category/groups displayed. will keep searching for an example of group setup.