Crazed i appreciate the info a lot. I have tried a couple of the app installers with pulse kodi but the links didn't work and the apks never loaded. There's only a couple of the apps that work out of many on kodi now. I will put the terrarium on the fire and give it a try. Had been using the orange downloader. I saw somewhere that some use just a number or short code to find what you were looking for but never tried it. Good news i have a buzz3000 coming from member here and have been reading up on it here. I will still play with the fire but looking forward to the buzz. I really appreciate the links and tutorials. Will keep reading thanks again